Correspondências

Correspondencia com Rupert Sheldrake sobre os testes de telepatia sugeridos por ele e que estão sendo conduzidos por Zaquie Meredith no seu curso Pontos de Luz.
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Correspondencia enviada em 28 de setembro de 2006 para Rupert Sheldrake
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
Thank you for answering my e-mail. A great honor. I have sent you a letter on July 29 with some details. I will repeat some of what it was said and more. I hope I can make it interesting for you with so many e-mails to read. But I think it is very important for your research. This experiment is part of a book that I am writing ‘the conscience of our sensations”.I will explain briefly what I mean by the conscience of our sensations so you can understand how I ended up with these experiments.
The “conscience” of our sensations
By sensations I mean energetic impressions that are “connected” to our body organs in such a way that these organs “acquire them” (sensations) and express them. So they “form” a conscience which is the conscience of our sensations. These sensations are in/on our bodies , in our tissues because – in a way, our bodies and tissues are almost “formed”/molded – I believe- by them.
Our experiences, emotions, thoughts, beliefs along our life “stay” in our organs as if they were “glued” on them independent of time forming the consistency, the tissue of these organs. When these organs are touched with “intention” or “stimulated” they provoke (sensations) which “emanate” from the organs. Each organ “keeps” the experience that impacted it or the experience that it is important to keep. These sensations are “continuous” on our body and they exist all the time .These sensations can be awakened when you “touch” the body or where that organ is located, therefore thru an external or internal stimulus.
An example of what I am saying is a woman who came to me with anxiety, impatience and intestine problems even being young and athetic. When I “touched” her stomach and intestines thru placing my hands on her body with the intention of healing and with a body conscience, grounded, in a state of love the woman felt pain . This pain was linked to a short breath and when I noticed her breath I touched her lungs. Her lungs were “locked” and were not liberating air nor “inspiring” air enough. I asked her to breathe very slowly paying attention to her breathing almost as if she were on a “slow motion”so that her lungs could start “catching ” air. It was then when I felt the “sensations” that her lungs carried all the time. It was all there: intense fear, stomach pain. How did I feel that? I felt it in my body (by ressonance) and knew that this belonged to her and not to me . I also perceived this thru my senses as my mind was quiet and allowed me to perceive the sensorial. I felt as if her lungs spoke to me . I understood this was a pattern she had held all her childhood whenever there was a fearful situation. I questioned her to confirm my sensations. She then told me that the symptoms first described started when her parents separated(she was then a child) . So her lungs and stomach, intestines were exactly the same as if she were a child . They still held the impressions and sensations of when their parents fought and separated. There was fear, agony, terror. To change these sensations – as she is now an adult and nobody is threatening to go away – I had to make her conscious of what was happening to her organs and I placed hands, intention, on a loving state, talking to her in a therapeutic way, etc. She was no longer a child, her mind grew, her body grew but the sensations and emotions stayed the same until she could make them conscious that she was no longer a child and that now she could breathe freely.
We can not change the facts of our lives. But we can change the sensations we had and have about these facts. (ex: from our photos)and perhaps end up changing our thoughts, our way of thinking and feelings and …perhaps…who knows…our bodies may change too.
The Experiment
One day, I had a strong feeling – very strong that I should ask everyone at class to bring a photo of when they were a child. I had no idea what to do with the photos. But, courageously asked everyone to place them on a table. Then I started doing exercises on sensorial and perception development.
These exercises lead you to perceive the moment reality which you are and promote your reaching any past, present or future situation. As it sounds incongruent and strange I found out that it is only thru the present that you can change the past and future.(hence the family constellations of Bert Hellinger – I have not told him this as he, himself dislike explanations) But the present is a door that takes you to the “right” ways of living.The present has the unique truth of each moment and this truth can take you to a good “future”.
It has do with the movement of life in a “ chemistry way”(sorry this phrase came to me) Each atom is responsible for the memory of humanity and it is thru the present that you reach this memory. We can capture the electromagnetic waves being “in the now” and we can catch the “real truth” of any situation. Everything is contained in atoms and as you “breathe” you can absorb the information that it contains there. If you “stay” in the moment there is a wisdom there and how things have to be. It is also thru the present that you can change the past. Thru your emotions you register on your atmos the feeling that it was not good changing your story.
We continued to do the exercises. Some exercises are grounding yourself (body exercises to make you feel in contact with the earth very real, very present such as exercises on “drums” which makes you feel linked to the earth- etc. ). Then you breathe in a way which you can feel calmer and your brain wave goes to “alpha” state , your heart beats slower and you start to feel very calm and good. You are still conscious of everything but you become conscious of your body and its sensations, its fluids, its feelings, its pains and pleasures in a very deep and profound way (thats how we can “learn” if we have diseases in our body because we are so connected to the body).
On some experiments of your books, Mr. Sheldrake, I understood that the people who do the experiments do not prepare themselves for them in this manner: – as body connection, linking themselves to the earth, calming down, etc etc but to us it is very important if you want to be able to “perceive” anything outside from your rational mind. So it is important that I tell you that on this experiment of our photos we prepare ourselves to “perceive” what it is not normallly perceived in normal beta brain waves, I mean by our normal state of being.
So I asked everyone to look at their photos and perceive what sensations were linked to that particular photo at that particular time. What was that child feeling? What went thru her mind and heart? Expressions of eyes? Etc? Since we were all on a calmer state of mind and very quiet – we picked our photos and looked. When you look at it if you “fix” your look you can see EXACTLY what had happened at that time your photo was taken. We read our sensations.
Some “saw” sadness and some “saw” loneliness. I was on top of my dads car as well as other brothers and had 2 years old and mother was by my side. I perceived my “fear” of falling off the car. This was the first time I had noticed this on the photo even having looked at it many times- Also I realized that my “history” of falls initiated as a child – breaking a foot, having back problems..etc One woman saw her child had “deep sad eyes” and she was astonished. Other had similar experiences. Every single person saw something they had never seen before.
After hearing all perceptions, still in quietness I asked them to place their photos on a table and we “prepared” ourselves to do the healing. (I was “following” internal sensations of what I had to do step by step still not knowing what the results were going to be ) We breathed and felt calm and listen to our heart and felt good- This feeling of good has nothing to do with “forcing” feeling good. It comes naturally when you “quiet” your mind it comes a feeling of “peace”-almost like a state for meditation.
Since I did not know what “was going to happen” we all put aside our observations found on our photos and placed our hands above our photos for 1 minute .We walked around that table and several hands were on all photos stopping 1 minute on each photo. All in silence. After all done we sat. We took some time to “rest’ from the healings – about 5 minutes. I still didnt know what to do but then it came a feeling that I should ask everyone to “pick up” our photos. So we did and looked at them again.
I didn’t know what “to look for” so I said nothing to them and wonder, myself, what was going to happen. Me, proposing such an experiment without having a plan? All I knew was that we were to look at our photos. Look well. And for the first time I “saw” my mothers hand on mine holding me so I would not fall – I had not seen her hand before and had looked at this photo “hundreds” of time before. But there it was. Hidden on her large skirt she was holding my hand. A woman who had seen her “sad” eyes saw now happy and pretty eyes. She was atonished. So atonished at the “change’ that she was speechless for a time. This same woman took this photo home on that same day and her daughter seeing her come into the door with the photo in her hand (her photo was a big size) said: “mother ..why are you holding that ugly sad photo of yours?”. Mother gave her the photo and without explaining anything said: “look”.Daughter looked at the photo and said_ “how funny- your eyes are pretty and I thought they were sad but they look very nice now”. (she told us the next day).
Many students “saw” sensations and emotions they had never perceived before. After the healing they also “perceived” other – positive- sensations on the photographs and felt the same themselves. A great healing. So, when we heal the photos we are healing ourselves and our sensations at the time we took our photos and for the future too, I believe.
I decided to do this on “different stages” of my life and took a photo of when I was 20 years old, pretty at a dinner reunion. When I looked at it I “saw’ how naive and how I had “great expectations” of life at that time. Then I realized that these great expectations still continued on my life- of course! they are sensations held in my body of those times but they had never been healed (I didnt even know I was like that). I I took this photo to one of the courses and did the healing (remember that there are many hands on it).When I looked at it looking for the “change” (now I knew there was going to be some change…) I saw a new criticism on my eyes and at first I had not understood what it meant believing that the healing was for the better why did I come up with “criticism”? But then it dawn on me that this simply meant that I must be more “critical” and look to things more critically instead of having ‘great expectations”.
Needless to say that I started to be like that (more critical) since the healing of my photo. This has helped me to be more realistic in my expectations of life. Whether this was a change thru my own desire or thru the new conscience of the photo I dont know.
Since then I have done this on somel photos I wanted to change. But I notice that the healing I do by myself is not so powerful when we do together with other people. And most important I notice that there is a dramatic change on each person after this exercise.
Most important too is that I looked at the “healed photos” several times afterwards and they all seem to have that “new look” , or the new healing particular aspect on them. They were not the same any more.
Also I noticed that healing thru “children taken photos” is easier than adult photos for most of the students.
There is so much more to say. I am very excited about these experiments and now in every class we take photos to heal them and ourselves. I am willing to share these experiments – as much as I can- if need be. I need your help and I feel they are extremely important (very very) for your research and myself.
Whatever is needed I am available. This work is my passion. Down deep my heart I entertain the desire to have you opinate on my writings- and, this is my dream.
Resposta de Rupert Sheldrake em 4 de outubro 2006
Many thanks for explaining your experiments with photos, and your work with feeling sensations. This is helpful to know about.
In my own experiments, it is true that people do not have this preparation phase. It might work better if they did. But I’m doing something different, simply trying to measure whether people can tell when their photo is being looked at by another person. This is not related to healing. To test something like what you’re doing would be a completely different experiment, which at present I’m not able to set up.
Although my own tests are very simple and crude compared with what you’re doing, it might be interesting to try them online on my website (through the online experiment portal, the photo telepathy test) it maybe that you or your subjects would be able to do much better than other people if you had the initial calming down preparation period first, before doing the test. It would be interesting to find out and if you have time I’d love to know what you discover.
Best wishes Rupert Sheldrake.
Carta de Zaquie para Sheldrake 4 de outubro
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
Thank you for your answer and for reading my writings. We would be honored to contribute to your experiments on “staring” coming from this “calm’ state of mind. All my students (15) have heard of you and some know one or two of your books so, I have no doubt, they will be thrilled to do this . This has to be done in class and we will meet next October 14 in São Paulo. However, we do not have a computer over there. We would have to write down the results as well as the “don’t stare” or “stare at” words to be read on a piece of paper and have someone control the timing. Would you accept this? You will have to trust us and perhaps then we can record on your site. We can also use a “bell” to indicate the “beep sound”. Please give me specific instructions if need be.
True, there are differences on our experiments however the ultimate results serve the same objective. When we look at our photographs (they way I described to you ) we “perceive” the sensations and we change us- cant you say that we are using some sort of telephaty to reach ourselves and influence ourselves without a word or physical contact ? With your comment you gave me an idea that I should try to have each of us look at another´ s photograph and do the same experiment. This would be a challenge – and perhaps in a way a sort of telepathy too?
Thank you so much for your kind attention. If there is any specific instruction to do the experiment off line please advise. Otherwise, I will be sending you the results right after. Kindly yours,
Ms.Zaquie Meredith
Carta de Zaquie para Sheldrake em 24 de outubro
Dear Mr. Rupert Sheldrake,
As we agreed with you , we conducted the looking – not looking Sheldrake experiments including a preparation phase for the subjects. This occurred in São Paulo, Brasil and there were 3 stages of Tests with 5 subjects and 5 lookers each, therefore, 60 tests were done in one day, morning, October 15th .
To start the test we used a bell and then we spoke “start test 1” for example and gave 10 seconds for the answer and after this time we said “finish test 1” and next “start test 2” etc .
All subjects – 2 or 3 minutes before prepared themselves with a meditation before the test.
The first and second stage of tests did not have an ouststanding results despite this preparation. As we are used to doing many “telepathy” tests such as guessing each others thoughts, or what colour are you thinking or what sensation do you feel upon such subject, we were surprised.
However we noticed that: -Four of us who were helping with the test – were sitting right in front of the subjects and therefore we could have had some influence on them. Some of the subjects might have been nervous – realizing we were “observing” if they did well.
There was hardly any TIME between the tests.(we gave 10 seconds as suggested but this was not enough to “feel” if they were being looked at or not).Remember these subjects are used to “feel” in their bodies what is going on outside them – and “capture” any feelings theirs and others. So we changed this for the third stage as well as our positions which made a remarkable difference on the results.
Results on the first stage: Total Right 53 Total Wrong 47 Results on the second stage: Totals Right 48 Wrong 52 Results on the third stage: Totals Right 62 Wrong -32 (* Observation) changing the positions and giving more time to answer :
Observation – The people who were conducting the test such as myself and 3 others changed our positions BEHIND the looker and the subject for this 3rd stage. Also we gave MORE TIME between one test and another – TIME to breathe- to relax (we gave 10 seconds between the 10 seconds to answer each test performing a total of 20 seconds for each test) and this seemed to have made a remarkable difference. It also seemed that some subjects (some names were highly better than others – indicating that being sensitive makes a difference ) did better than others .
We did not continue as they were tired for the effort meaning these subject “feel” before answering (3rd stage).
We were excited to this and are willing to continue if you feel fit. We also would be very happy to learn what you thought of these tests especially the change and results of the 3rd stage.
As to my photographs test we exchanged our photographs (childrens photographs) and performed a quick minute healing on each other not knowing who was who)and also the results were very good as some noticed some change on the expressions at these photographs.
At your disposal, Yours sincerely proud to help in any way,
Carta de Rupert Sheldrake em Outubro dia 24
Dear Zaquie,
Many thanks for your interesting email and for your reflections on them. Certainly the third test worked a lot better. Do you think that the main difference was the rest period between each trial?
I would be happy if you could continue with these tests and see how the scores go under these improved conditions, and also if you can identify people who are unusually good at looking and who are unusually sensitive as subjects. It would be interesting to know just how well people can do in these tests under ideal conditions. Most people only do a single test and take it no further. With best wishes.
Carta de Zaquie para Rupert Sheldrake em Outubro 27
Dear Rupert Sheldrake, October 27th
To my my understanding, the main difference is the necessary time that the subjects have to have in order to embody the feeling of being looked at or not. The difference between “one minute” looked from the outside world is totally different from the “one minute” felt by the inside of a body. What counts is what you feel and not what the clock shows you. And “to me” thats the explanation why we “hold” on to certain emotions and others not. I had a house, once, in São Paulo, hit by a truck without brakes and the 5 minutes that took the fire help people to come to the house seemed to me more than endless and tormentous hours. And yet, it was said by observers: it took no longer than 5 minutes. The subjects have to “feel” inside their bodies if this is true or not true. (this is what I teach) They have to have “their” time to “capture” the sensation that floats in the air somehow -perhaps it can come like a warm breeze whispering: I see you or a cold wind which pays no attention to you and ignores you: I dont see you.
(but equally important is the looker also not “send” any intention on the subject – even if he is not looking. I will remind them of this – any intention can distract and make the subject feel he is being looked at ). I believe in this so much that since I practise this I basically guess what is going on here and there which is pertinent to me – but not in the sense of gossip but in the sense of importance to me. I once ” heard” a german ex-teacher of mine say “no” in german (he was in Germany at the time I “heard” his “no” and I in Brasil – but I don’t speak german- I only remember the “no” was very harsh and out loud ) Later I found out, this was the exact time when he learned from somebody else I wanted to do something which he did not agree. Weeks later I received an email from him questioning me on this.
I am only mentioning this so one can see how infinite possibilities we do have if only “we pay more attention to what is going on beyond us ” Mr. Sheldrake, I will pay attention to the people who are more sensitive. I noticed 3 or 4 highly sensitive. Perhaps we could put more variables – or change a little the test – to really challenge this high sense perception. If you have any suggestions please tell me. Our next class is December 1, 2nd. Yours sincerely,
Ms.Zaquie Meredith
Sheldrake para Zaquie em 1º de Novembro – 2006
Dear Zaquie, November 1st
Thank you for your interesting reflections. Do please do some more tests in your next class. I think your ideas of letting people feel are good ones to test, and another thing worth testing would be to find out if people can get better with practice. This might be possible if they get feedback trial by trial. In other words if they are told if they’re right or wrong each time. This could also have a negative effect, because if people are wrong they get discouraged and self-conscious which interferes with their performance. So you might like to investigate it with and without feedback to see what happens.
Best wishes Rupert Sheldrake
Carta de Zaquie para Sheldrake 16 de Novembro de 2006
Dear Rupert Sheldrakwe November 16
It is an honor. I will reflect on how we can help to deepen these tests so they can bring clear results especially on people who can feel anothers communication having more time to feel it. Consider us your partners on your research, Mr. Sheldrake. Amd if the results don’t show a big difference I ask if the “way” we do the test doesn’t have to change?
Because when I am “centered” and always calm inside myself I can perceive and know exactly what is going on outside of me , who is going to say what or call or what. It is like an “antena” that is “tuned up” and I am able to listen and perceive. I have noticed I am almost 90% right. So, if this is true with me and others the test must show this. How? Is introducing more time enough? Or, looking up the neck enough?
Your sincerely, Zaquie Meredith
Carta de Sheldrake em 21 de Novembro
Dear Zaquie, Novmber 21
Thanks for your email and reflections. I’m sure your right that the state in which people are when they take these tests makes a big difference, and it would be good to know more about this. Anything you can discover would be really helpful. So do please continue to think about it, and try out the tests under different conditions.
I know that these are very artificial ways of looking at the phenomena, but the problem is to find a scientific test that can give valid results. If you can think of any way of doing the test in a better way, do let me know.
Best wishes Rupert Sheldrake
CARTA DE ZAQUIE MEREDITH PARA SHELDRAKE EM 2 DE DEZEMBRO RELATANDO OS RESULTADOS DO TESTE DE TELEPATIA SHELDRAKE FEITOS COM E SEM OS ‘HEALINGS’.
SHELDRAKE SECOND TIME EXPERIMENT S DONE IN BRAZIL SÃO PAULO WITH 10 PEOPLE CLASS OF ‘PONTOS DE LUZ’ BY Zaquie Meredith – December 2 nd and 3rd. 2006.
Dear Rupert Sheldrake , I have some interesting news for your test. You might be surprised. I was delighted and I am very curious to learn what you think of this because I think it is very relevant to your tests.
First we started performing your test “being stared at” with my group in São Paulo, you remember, adding that calm state of mind, getting into meditation, etc prior to the test. As we agreed to do with you.
However we were disappointed to see that this special state: staying calm, getting into meditation did not seem to make a big difference to the results. The average results were 50 right to 50 wrong. We were l0 people doing the test and we gave 20 seconds between one answer and another. We tried both ways: 1 metre and 2 metres of distance between the looker and the person being looked at. No difference.
But one important fact called my attention. I noticed that 2 people came out remarkably well: they had 15 right against 5 wrong and 12 right against 8 wrong. At first, It seemed to me that this had to do with being over sensitive (as I had mentioned to you previously)but someone, one of the students, called my attention that these 2 people had just “worked” together, in pair, prior to the test, exchanging healings.
In fact, last time we performed this test this had happened too. I only had not noticed that the people who had a higher rate of positive results had been working together.
This made me think that obviously the healings “helped” them to be more in ressonance with each other, in touch with each other but not only that. They probably were still in each others field. See, the other 8 people did healings with each other but not “in pairs” as these 2 people. To prove this again I asked 4 other students to do healings on each other, as a pair. When they finished I asked them to perform your tests exactly with the same people they were exchanging healings. Remarkable results : 13 right to 7 , 12 right to 8 wrong ,and 12 right to 8 wrong.
Certainly this is very significant don’t you agree? It occurred to me that perhaps we are dealing with a different “hipótese”. Perhaps we “know” when we are being stared at only if the “looker” is somehow in “ressonance” with us. That means that we “miss” a lot of people who look at us and we will never know they were staring at us even if we are “sensitive”. By being in ressonance with us I mean someone who has something in common with us be it physical, emotional, mental, talents, vibrational frequency, etc even at an unconscious level. (probably at an unconscious level)
Can we conclude that it is not with everybody that telepathy works? What conclusions can you make when you learn that people who exchanged healings have much more chances “to know” if they are being stared at? If you consider that healings “harmonize” peoples human field, thoughts and feelings and besides making them more sensitive they become more “tuned up” to each other can we say that telepathy works ONLY WITH people who have SOMEHOW some ressonance?? Can we narrow to that? I don’t know. Please tell me. What conclusions can we make out of this besides classifying these people as “sensitive”? I think it is more than that. Please consider Mr. Sheldrake that there is something important here.
I meant to ask you before and I do it now: how do you see the possibility of visiting Brasil in the future and give some talks and courses here ? Is there any possibility in the future? Have you ever been in São Paulo?
Yours truly,
CARTA DE RUPERT SHELDRAKE E, 13 DE DEZEMBRO 2006 SOBRE OS RESULTADOS DOS TESTES DE TELEPATIA FEITOS APÓS O ‘HEALING’, GRUPOS PONTOS DE LUZ .
Ms. Zaquie Meredith
Dear Zaquie,
Thanks for your email and the update on your results. This is an interesting point about the two people doing well who have worked together. This could be a factor that improves scores, and in one study identical twins were found to do much better than unrelated people, or even non-twin siblings. The only way to find out if this is an important variable is to do more tests, for example testing pairs of people before they have worked together and afterwards, to see if it makes a difference. And this you’ve done, with interesting results.
I think that this kind of test probably does work better with people who are in resonance with each other. But in the real world, the sense of being stared at occurs not only between people who know each other well, but often with strangers. In the wild, I think it is primarily to do with predator-prey relationships. But in this test situation, perhaps the telepathic component becomes more important.
It would be good if you could repeat some of these tests with people before and after working with each other. I have been to Brazil twice before, but don’t have any plans at present. I’m not sure when it will be possible, but there won’t be time next year. Thank you for all your helpful observations, and do please keep up the research if you can. This is pioneering work!
Best wishes Rupert Sheldrake
CARTA DE ZAQUIE MEREDITH PARA SHELDRAKE EM 14 DE DEZEMBRO
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
We will continue as this is important for your tests. We are only glad to help. And if more tests are done and good results are achieved could you then affirm, Mr. Sheldrake, that people who have something “in common” have more chances to become more telephatic to each other? I wonder how important and how significant this is for the conclusion of your tests. I am very curious and excited to be able to help you.
RESPOSTA DE SHELDRAKE
I think that this kind of test probably does work better with people who are in resonance with each other. But in the real world, the sense of being stared at occurs not only between people who know each other well, but often with strangers. In the wild, I think it is primarily to do with predator-prey relationships. But in this test situation, perhaps the telepathic component becomes more important. Yes but the tests are a “replica” of the real world. Shouldn’t they show something that happens in the real world? You have not answer if you think that strangers may be “attracted” to look only at “certain “ people.
And “certain” people who have something in “common” which we don’t know and they don’t know either. All of this is unkown and strange . I also agree entirely with you that the look and being looked at may have to do with predator-prey relationship. And here is the secret, perhaps. Because not everyone looks. We look at people who we feel “attracted” to on a unconscious level whether positive or negative (my opinion) But here it may direct to other things and perhaps something for you to decide if it is important. I am only a neophyte only glad to learn with you
It would be good if you could repeat some of these tests with people before and after working with each other. I have been to Brazil twice before, but don’t have any plans at present. I’m not sure when it will be possible, but there won’t be time next year. Thank you for all your helpful observations, and do please keep up the research if you can.
This is pioneering work!
CARTA DE SHELDRAKE EM 18 DE DEZEMBRO DE 2006
Dear Zaquie,
Thanks for being ready to continue these tests. If they do indeed continue to work better with people who know each other well, this would suggest that as well as the sense of being stared at there is a telepathic component as well. The situation in the tests would then be quite different from that in real life, where it often works with strangers.
But also the emotions are different. With friends the emotions are presumably ones of friendship and co-operation. With strangers, there maybe ones of threat and fear. But of course it’s not possible to explore that in an experiment!
Best wishes Rupert.
CARTA DE ZAQUIE MEREDITH PARA SHELDRAKE EM 19 DE JANEIRO 2007
Dear Mr. Rupert Sheldrake, I am in São Paulo and will be in class this week-end and would like to know from you if we should continue our experiments on “stare-not stare” within the conditions of both subjects doing the healing prior to the test so we can draw some conclusion on how this influences the stare or not stare Sheldrake tests.
Do you have any other suggestions on how to proceed? We want to help – kindly inform me.
My best regards, Ms. Zaquie Meredith
RESPOSTA DE SHELDRAKE
Dear Zaquie,
Thank you for your email. I’m sorry to take so long to reply but I’ve been away in India and have only just returned. I do hope you can do some more tests. And comparing treatments like healing or no healing seems a good thing to do to see if you get consistent effect. Do please let me know how you get on
Best wishes Rupert Sheldrake
CARTA DE ZAQUIE MEREDITH PARA SHELDRAKE EM 08 DE FEVEREIRO 2007
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
I hope your trip to India was good. I dont understand how poverty can be so connected to spirituality as in India. I only can think this is mans idea but not God´s. Actually in the north of Brasil there is a lot of poverty and they are very religious. Maybe a reminiscence of our Catholic Church where “acceptance” of what is (poverty, no money, etc)- is a way to comune with God, to obey God and in this way some men can dominate others.
What is your opinion on this, if you care to share- I would love to hear. Yes, we did 20 tests again and this time with an entirely different group.It was a group of people who never did this test before. What I noticed: -People who “like” and “accept” each other have better results (13 right to 7 wrong, 15 right to 5 wrong, 12 right to 8 wrong). -All of them had healings on each other however as this was an “introductory” course they did not have much experience on healings- which means their performance on healing each other was not so good. Any way the result was an average to 12 right to 8 wrong. However, reading your e-mail we did not do the “healing” comparing “not healing” tests.
As I will be with the first group early march then we will follow this track- no healing and tests. Healing and tests. I have all the written tests with me and would you like me to send them over to you? Please let me know and the correct address. My best regards- it is always a pleasure to help you in this project or any other you feel we can help ,
Ms.Zaquie Meredith
CARTA DE SHELDRAKE EM 12 DE FEVEREIRO DE 2007
Dear Zaquie,
Many thanks for your email. I think poverty and spirituality all seemed to be linked in some way. Generally when people become more prosperous they become less spiritual. The connection between poverty and spirituality does seem quite clear in India and it’s not confined to any particular religion. Thank you for your observations. I’m glad to hear about the results. I would be very happy to see the data from the written tests.
Please post them to me at:
Safe Journey
Dear Zaquie,
It was great to meet you. I’m excited at the idea of you being able to do more experiments in Brazil. The photo experiment works just like the staring experiment, except for the fact that the starer looks at the subjects photograph instead of the subject. The subject is in another room.
In a random series of 20 trials (for which you can use the same instructions sheets as the normal staring experiment) the looker either looks at the photo or looks at something else instead. The subject receives a signal on an intercom to indicate when a trial begins, and then sends her guess to the looker over the same intercom. I have found that this tests works best with people who know each other well, but you could try it with people who don’t know each other well and see what happens. As we discussed, it would be good if you could also try the staring experiment in a different way, where the looker either looks at the subjects neck (or back of head) or at their lower back. In each trial, the subject has to guess whether the neck or lower back was being looked at. Can they feel the difference? I hope you have a safe journey back to Brazil.
All best wishes Rupert=
Correspondencia de 2008/2009/2010 sobre os testes17/02/1008 /Caros alunos e todos,
R. Sheldrake, um dos maiores cientistas da nossa época, me pediu que vocês fizessem o teste via internet. Portanto, traduzi as instruções do teste para vocês. Eu mesma o fiz e achei muito fácil. Meu amigo teve 7 acertos comigo e eu tive 3 acertos. Verdade é que eu não estava “ligada” nos seus pensamentos ou conectada- estava preocupada em saber como funcionava o teste. Mas isso é uma indicação de que o teste precisa ser feito estando vocês conectados (lembram-se da “arte de ouvir?”)Aconselho-os a fazerem o teste estando em conexão um com o outro-combinem entre si uns 10 minutinhos de meditação entre si antes do teste.
Gostaria de sugerir que fizessem o teste a partir de qualquer dia neste mês de dezembro ou janeiro, pelo menos, umas três ou cinco vezes cada par. Por favor, anotem no papel os resultados e com quem fizeram e quantas vezes fizeram. Tragam para o próximo módulo e lembrem-se de colocar “zaquie” como nome do grupo.
Dear Zaquie, 22-12-2008
Thank you for this. I very much look forward to your students doing the test, and it would be good to know if it does work better right after the healings.
Doing it in class might not work too well. First, the two computers must be in separate rooms where they cannot hear each other, and secondly only one pair at a time could do it, so the others would have to wait. Of course if there are some informal activities going on and pairs could go and do it while others do something else this might indeed work well.
All best wishes for Christmas.
Rupert
15/02/2009
Thanks for your kind words,
I am in S India, in great heat, having a lovely time travelling with my 19
year old son and his friend.
Best wishes
Rupert
Zaquie Meredith writes:
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
I read your talk to Hunter Beaumont on (Systemic Solutions Bulletin 2001) about soul, spirit ,evolution, etc which was circulated at the constellation yahoo talk group. I am amazed at the clarity, concision, objectivity of your writing and how updated this paper just is !
Fantastic – you are truly an illuminated man, if you allow me to say this.
Best regards
Zaquie Meredith
7/04/2009 Dear Zaquie,
Thanks for this feedback. Yes please do post me the sheets with sufficient detail for me to understand them. I can then keep them in my file of records.
You’re quite right that the essence of the phenomenon involves being caught by surprise and this test is very artificial. If you can find a way of doing a proper test with an element of surprise that would be really helpful.
I wish you could try the telephone telepathy tests, which work much more naturally, but unfortunately these do not yet work in Brazil.
Anyway do just try out variations and improvements on the staring test and let me know how you get on. This is pioneering work!
Best wishes
Rupert
On 7 Apr 2009, at 10:11, Zaquie Meredith wrote:
Dear Rupert,
We did the tests in our class and now I understand why the on-line tests are better. There were 8 students. At first only one couple – who has enormous affinity and who worked on each other as healing made it 75% right. The rest was 50%.A little disappointing.
Then on the second round they made a connection to each other before the test but the results were the same. There was no improvement.
I am wondering: when we look at people who are looking at us over the streets, we are caught by surprise. However, when we do the tests there is an expectation. So could this interefere with the results?
We decided for the next time “not to tell” who will be looked at or not- see if this changes anything.
If you want me to send the results by post office please let me know.
My best regards,
Zaquie Meredith
25/02/2010
Dear Zaquie,
Thanks for your email. I’d be delighted if you continue with the staring tests and it would be good to discuss the procedure with your participants. I don’t know how to include the element of surprise in a controlled experiment, but you may think of some way of doing it. All best wishes
Rupert
29/03/2010
Dear Zaquie,
Thanks for your update, and also thanks for the results you sent by post which we’ve analysed. They come out showing the usual pattern.
The big problem with this staring research is that as soon as people start thinking about it, the mind gets in the way. That makes it hard to design experiments that set up mental or emotional conditions. One of the things I found in a recent experiment was that people’s predictions of their ability were usually quite reliable. I asked people to say if they thought they were particularly good at influencing people through their stares, and also found people who said they felt they were quite sensitive to this. By putting the strong starers together with the sensitive people, the hit rate was in fact higher. It might be worth trying this in one of your other groups.I’m so pleased that you are persisting with this research and it’s helpful to have the kind of detailed explorations you are doing. Best wishes
Rupert
On 26 Mar 2010, at 10:14, Zaquie Meredith wrote:
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
We carry out the “staring tests”with 7 people in the tranditional way and then we added one element of surprise – which I believe did not make much difference. We had 4 people looking at 4 people however only one was marking down the answers and the others who were being stared at did not know who was doing this.
However, it did not seem to be a great idea as we did not notice any difference. The difference that it made it is what I had reported to you before: when 2 people had had a healing and have similarities and affinities then they score higher than the others. You will see that only only pair that scored higher.
We will continue this week-end as I have another group. Any suggestions here? People love doing your test – pity it can not be done in a computer.
I am sending the papers via post office.
All my best regards,
Yours sincerely,
Zaquie Meredith
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
You are right. We did the staring tests in class with the idea that you requested, i.e., that the stronger person (influencer) would look at the more sensitive people and the results were amazing: 14 Right and 6 Wrong! The only person which result was inverted actually had said that she felt she was more of an influencer than of a sensitive person, so probably both positions were inverted.
I am sending you these results by mail. Perhaps we can dare to say that when we are strolling, walking in the streets, only the mentally stronger people have the “power”to make us stare back at them.! What I had thought previously was that there must be a “connection”between the 2 people so they can score higher – or, at the streets, perhaps some hidden sincronicity…
We are pleased to carry out your tests. Any more suggestions?
All the best and my best regards,
—– Original Message —–
To: Zaquie Meredith
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: tests
Dear Zaquie,
Thanks for your update, and also thanks for the results you sent by post which we’ve analysed. They come out showing the usual pattern.
The big problem with this staring research is that as soon as people start thinking about it, the mind gets in the way. That makes it hard to design experiments that set up mental or emotional conditions. One of the things I found in a recent experiment was that people’s predictions of their ability were usually quite reliable. I asked people to say if they thought they were particularly good at influencing people through their stares, and also found people who said they felt they were quite sensitive to this. By putting the strong starers together with the sensitive people, the hit rate was in fact higher. It might be worth trying this in one of your other groups.
I’m so pleased that you are persisting with this research and it’s helpful to have the kind of detailed explorations you are doing.
Best wishes
Rupert
On 26 Mar 2010, at 10:14, Zaquie Meredith wrote:
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
We carry out the “staring tests”with 7 people in the tranditional way and then we added one element of surprise – which I believe did not make much difference. We had 4 people looking at 4 people however only one was marking down the answers and the others who were being stared at did not know who was doing this.
However, it did not seem to be a great idea as we did not notice any difference. The difference that it made it is what I had reported to you before: when 2 people had had a healing and have similarities and affinities then they score higher than the others. You will see that only only pair that scored higher.
We will continue this week-end as I have another group. Any suggestions here? People love doing your test – pity it can not be done in a computer.
I am sending the papers via post office.
All my best regards,
Yours sincerely,
Zaquie Meredith
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
You are right. We did the staring tests in class with the idea that you requested, i.e., that the stronger person (influencer) would look at the more sensitive people and the results were amazing: 14 Right and 6 Wrong! The only person which result was inverted actually had said that she felt she was more of an influencer than of a sensitive person, so probably both positions were inverted.
I am sending you these results by mail. Perhaps we can dare to say that when we are strolling, walking in the streets, only the mentally stronger people have the “power”to make us stare back at them.! What I had thought previously was that there must be a “connection”between the 2 people so they can score higher – or, at the streets, perhaps some hidden sincronicity…
We are pleased to carry out your tests. Any more suggestions?
All the best and my best regards,
—– Original Message —–
To: Zaquie Meredith
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: tests
Dear Zaquie,
Thanks for your update, and also thanks for the results you sent by post which we’ve analysed. They come out showing the usual pattern.
The big problem with this staring research is that as soon as people start thinking about it, the mind gets in the way. That makes it hard to design experiments that set up mental or emotional conditions. One of the things I found in a recent experiment was that people’s predictions of their ability were usually quite reliable. I asked people to say if they thought they were particularly good at influencing people through their stares, and also found people who said they felt they were quite sensitive to this. By putting the strong starers together with the sensitive people, the hit rate was in fact higher. It might be worth trying this in one of your other groups.
I’m so pleased that you are persisting with this research and it’s helpful to have the kind of detailed explorations you are doing.
Best wishes
Rupert
On 26 Mar 2010, at 10:14, Zaquie Meredith wrote:
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
We carry out the “staring tests”with 7 people in the tranditional way and then we added one element of surprise – which I believe did not make much difference. We had 4 people looking at 4 people however only one was marking down the answers and the others who were being stared at did not know who was doing this.
However, it did not seem to be a great idea as we did not notice any difference. The difference that it made it is what I had reported to you before: when 2 people had had a healing and have similarities and affinities then they score higher than the others. You will see that only only pair that scored higher.
We will continue this week-end as I have another group. Any suggestions here? People love doing your test – pity it can not be done in a computer.
I am sending the papers via post office.
All my best regards,
Yours sincerely,
Zaquie Meredith
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
You are right. We did the staring tests in class with the idea that you requested, i.e., that the stronger person (influencer) would look at the more sensitive people and the results were amazing: 14 Right and 6 Wrong! The only person which result was inverted actually had said that she felt she was more of an influencer than of a sensitive person, so probably both positions were inverted.
I am sending you these results by mail. Perhaps we can dare to say that when we are strolling, walking in the streets, only the mentally stronger people have the “power”to make us stare back at them.! What I had thought previously was that there must be a “connection”between the 2 people so they can score higher – or, at the streets, perhaps some hidden sincronicity…
We are pleased to carry out your tests. Any more suggestions?
All the best and my best regards,
—– Original Message —–
To: Zaquie Meredith
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: tests
Dear Zaquie,
Thanks for your update, and also thanks for the results you sent by post which we’ve analysed. They come out showing the usual pattern.
The big problem with this staring research is that as soon as people start thinking about it, the mind gets in the way. That makes it hard to design experiments that set up mental or emotional conditions. One of the things I found in a recent experiment was that people’s predictions of their ability were usually quite reliable. I asked people to say if they thought they were particularly good at influencing people through their stares, and also found people who said they felt they were quite sensitive to this. By putting the strong starers together with the sensitive people, the hit rate was in fact higher. It might be worth trying this in one of your other groups.
I’m so pleased that you are persisting with this research and it’s helpful to have the kind of detailed explorations you are doing.
Best wishes
Rupert
On 26 Mar 2010, at 10:14, Zaquie Meredith wrote:
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
We carry out the “staring tests”with 7 people in the tranditional way and then we added one element of surprise – which I believe did not make much difference. We had 4 people looking at 4 people however only one was marking down the answers and the others who were being stared at did not know who was doing this.
However, it did not seem to be a great idea as we did not notice any difference. The difference that it made it is what I had reported to you before: when 2 people had had a healing and have similarities and affinities then they score higher than the others. You will see that only only pair that scored higher.
We will continue this week-end as I have another group. Any suggestions here? People love doing your test – pity it can not be done in a computer.
I am sending the papers via post office.
All my best regards,
Yours sincerely,
Zaquie Meredith
On 26 Mar 2010, at 10:14, Zaquie Meredith wrote:
Dear Rupert Sheldrake,
We carry out the “staring tests”with 7 people in the tranditional way and then we added one element of surprise – which I believe did not make much difference. We had 4 people looking at 4 people however only one was marking down the answers and the others who were being stared at did not know who was doing this.
However, it did not seem to be a great idea as we did not notice any difference. The difference that it made it is what I had reported to you before: when 2 people had had a healing and have similarities and affinities then they score higher than the others. You will see that only only pair that scored higher.
We will continue this week-end as I have another group. Any suggestions here? People love doing your test – pity it can not be done in a computer.
I am sending the papers via post office.
All my best regards,
Yours sincerely,
Zaquie Meredith Monday, March 29, 2010 1:29 PM
Dear Zaquie,
Thanks for your update, and also thanks for the results you sent by post which we’ve analysed. They come out showing the usual pattern.
The big problem with this staring research is that as soon as people start thinking about it, the mind gets in the way. That makes it hard to design experiments that set up mental or emotional conditions. One of the things I found in a recent experiment was that people’s predictions of their ability were usually quite reliable. I asked people to say if they thought they were particularly good at influencing people through their stares, and also found people who said they felt they were quite sensitive to this. By putting the strong starers together with the sensitive people, the hit rate was in fact higher. It might be worth trying this in one of your other groups.
I’m so pleased that you are persisting with this research and it’s helpful to have the kind of detailed explorations you are doing.
Best wishes
Rupert
Dear Rupert Sheldrake, segunda-feira, 14 de junho de 2010 13:20
You are right. We did the staring tests in class with the idea that you requested, i.e., that the stronger person (influencer) would look at the more sensitive people and the results were amazing: 14 Right and 6 Wrong! The only person which result was inverted actually had said that she felt she was more of an influencer than of a sensitive person, so probably both positions were inverted.
I am sending you these results by mail. Perhaps we can dare to say that when we are strolling, walking in the streets, only the mentally stronger people have the “power”to make us stare back at them.! What I had thought previously was that there must be a “connection”between the 2 people so they can score higher – or, at the streets, perhaps some hidden sincronicity…
We are pleased to carry out your tests. Any more suggestions?
All the best and my best regards,
15/06/2010
Dear Zaquie,
Thanks for this report of the results. I look forward to seeing the details.
In telepathy, a close emotional bond seems to be the important factor. But the sense of being stared at is different and works between strangers. It even works across species, and I think in predator/prey situations it maybe at its most effective.
It might be worth trying this again, and then doing a test with people doing the looking who think they are not very good at it and don’t notice that they make people turn round in real life, and see whether the results show a striking contrast. This would be really impressive if one could get a consistent difference based on peoples experience of how effective they are as starers.
Best wishes
Rupert
29/10/2010
Dear Rupert Sheldrke,
As you suggested we switched roles. The more sensitive people were looking
at the strong people:
Solange – who is very sensitive looking at Zoraide an executive woman
resulted in 12 wrong and 8 right.
Miriam who is a japanese sensitive woman looking at Sheila who has a very
strong personality came to 14 wrong and 6 right.
Eliana who is a jewish quiet person looking at Alessandra who believes
herself to be mentally strong came to 10 wrong to 10 right.
Allan , a young man looking at Denise (who believes to be strong) came to 8
wrong to 12 right. In reality Allan is much stronger than Denise so we only
perceived this after the test. So probably he belongs to the first test.
We had only 8 people – some missed it- On the 4 and 5 of December we shall
continue on this path if you say so. I will be sending the physical tests to
your address.
All my best regards, sincerely yours,
Zaquie Meredith
1/11/2010
Dear Zaquie
Thanks for this feedback. It would be good to test the sensitive and
strong people both ways round so I hope you can continue this in your
next meeting.
All the best
Rupert
6/12/2010
Dear Rupert Sheldrake, saudações and saludos!
I hope everything is fine with you. I want to report some of the results of our tests. There were 2 groups:
An entire new group which we didnt know who was stronger minded and who was not. So the results were not uncommon except for one girl (Carol) and one man (Tadeu) . The girl was visibly more sensitive but she had claimed that she does that (staring at people from their back) while she walks or is in a bus to people to see if they look back. So I had her strared at an apparently weaker minded woman and the results were poor. Then I had a strong minded man look at her and the results were incredible: 15 right to 5 wrong.
The second group was the usual group- and we did it again: the stronger minded people looking at the more sensitive people. We had 12/8 (right wrong); 10/10; 11/9;8/12 (here I am not sure who is strong minded). Then I am making copies of this last group before sending to you because I feel it is better to repeat the tests exchanging people. What do you say?
Is this (stronger minded people looking at more sensitive people) the direction that your tests are going to take now? Could you say that we only look back when stronger minded people are looking at us?What about if we look back only when we vibrate in the same frequency? (difficult to measure…I believe)
All the best always,
Zaquie C Meredith
Dear Zaquie,
Thanks for this new update. I’m glad you’re going on with this research and looking at who seems more ‘strong minded’. I suspect that in the real world this is what makes the most difference, because the sense of being stared at usually happens with strangers. However within families it also happens and there is maybe that people are more sensitive when they are in tune with each other. In some experiments in schools in Ireland, twins gave the best results, compared with unrelated people or non-twin siblings.
I think it would be good to go on with the kind of tests you are doing, noting who might be more sensitive, or strong minded.
Best wishes
Rupert
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